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Johnny Hart died Easter Sunday. Hart was the creator of the B.C. comic strip but despite his attachment to cavemen and dinosaurs Hart was a Christian fundamentalist and young Earth creationist who often lampooned what he did not understand. He once said that his mother did not die as a Christian and so went to Hell, but he expected that when we went to Heaven his God would erase that knowledge from him so he wouldn't feel bad knowing about her eternal damnation.

I'm pleased anyone so twisted by that kind of belief system has been removed from our presence. Johnny Hart was a minor tumor on the sensibilities of America.

There are some graves I would dance upon.

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scyllacat From: scyllacat Date: April 9th, 2007 03:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I don't know about dancing (I still have enough superstitious dread of the dead NOT resting in peace that it kind of gives me the willies) but I agree that Hart was kind of a twist in the gut of popular Christianity, and I don't regret that he's gone.
dakiwiboid From: dakiwiboid Date: April 9th, 2007 04:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

The only grave I think I'd really dance on

is that of Jesse Helms. Sadly, he's not in it yet.
hydrolagus From: hydrolagus Date: April 9th, 2007 06:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

a raindrop for your parade...

The one bummer is that he'd probably be quite pleased that he kicked it on Easter.
bolindbergh From: bolindbergh Date: April 9th, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: a raindrop for your parade...

But if he shows up alive on Wednesday, he'll be torn apart by an angry mob for performing a horribly tasteless publicity stunt.
kenshardik From: kenshardik Date: April 9th, 2007 11:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Have I ever told you you're my hero?
tagryn From: tagryn Date: April 10th, 2007 12:22 am (UTC) (Link)
So if, for example, Richard Dawkins collapsed and died from a stroke, and a Christian fundamentalist wrote that "I'm pleased anyone so twisted by his kind of belief system has been removed from our presence. Dawkins was a minor tumor on the sensibilities of America," your reaction to that would be...?

Its just two sides of the same coin.
mikstera From: mikstera Date: April 10th, 2007 10:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
My reaction would be one of puzzlement... I'd wonder what the fundamentalist saw as being the justification for his/her comments.

What the fundamentalist said next would, I hope, enlighten me as to the nature of their objections.

I didn't dislike "BC"'s creator so much that I'd dance upon their grave, but I won't miss the strip... it was no "Calvin & Hobbes", or "Bloom County"... but it wasn't quite as unpleasant as "Family Circle."
clemtaur From: clemtaur Date: April 10th, 2007 02:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I liked Hart's early work when I was a kid.. But he lost me after a while, with all the Christian references. Which were about as subtle as a brick, and not as funny. Am I glad he's dead now? Not really. For me he died a long long time ago..
acelightning From: acelightning Date: April 10th, 2007 03:29 am (UTC) (Link)
This is the first negative comment about Johnny Hart I've read among my LJ friends. Even people who despise proselytizing fundamentalists as much as you (or I) do have been saying how much they'll miss the comics. I didn't think they were that funny, and I did find the heavy-handed Christian references annoying. But everybody else seems to be as saddened as at the death of Vaughn Bodé.

3smallishmagi From: 3smallishmagi Date: April 10th, 2007 06:27 am (UTC) (Link)
I am continually astonished by the hatred people have for Christians in this country. I'm still trying to understand it.

I grew up with the B.C comic strip as a Sunday comic standard. I don't remember any Christian references. Maybe he didn't do that back then. Maybe I don't remember. Maybe the South African editors didn't pick those.

I suppose one of my first impressions of Seattle ('Whoa! Conservative police state!') is a clue, as Seattle is supposedly one of the liberal places.
elfs From: elfs Date: April 10th, 2007 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I am continually astonished by the hatred people have for Christians in this country.

I am continually astonished that someone out there thinks there's massed hatred for Christians in this country. The population is nine-tenths Christian. 49 out of 50 state governors are Christians, and they keep getting elected. Our national legislators are Christians in ratios higher than the general population.

Given that Christians have control over the levers of government, explain to me again how there's hatred in this country for Christianity in a way that has any impact at all on the way Christians lead their lives.
3smallishmagi From: 3smallishmagi Date: April 11th, 2007 05:40 am (UTC) (Link)
>The population is nine-tenths Christian.
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That begins to explain it. The bigger the majority, the more likely they are to rudely impose their views on everyone

>49 out of 50 state governors are Christians
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That's an expected result of a Christian majority.

There's the forgetting of your separation of church and state idea in the last 7 years or so, though it has probably been going on for a while.

I coincidentally ran across a BBC documentary on Fred Phelps and the Westboro (?sp) Baptists, and can see (ha) how you could be unpopular if you have even a little of what they have.

Anyway, it was a personal observation. In South Africa Christians are respected and appreciated by and large by the population, where in America Christianity is a dirty word. Christians themselves think...all sorts of things of themselves I suppose.

I suppose you've seen these:
http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/bcgoofiness_thumb.jpg
http://wondermark.com/tcsd/bc1.gif
which ran into trying to figure out what you were on about.
omahas From: omahas Date: April 11th, 2007 07:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Anyway, it was a personal observation. In South Africa Christians are respected and appreciated by and large by the population, where in America Christianity is a dirty word. Christians themselves think...all sorts of things of themselves I suppose.

Different Christians in this country think different things. Individuals such as Fred Phelps, for example, consider my husband and I to be evil incarnate and would, if they had the legal right, literally kill us and our children as an example of their faith.

Individuals such as my very Christian next door neighbors are loving, caring, open-minded people who find that there is enough room in this world for everyone...no matter their faith (and find my paganism fascinating).

What you are experiencing "continuously" is the response to individuals such as Fred Phelps who, though not in the majority of the population (philosophy-wise), at this time have a huge amount of money at their disposal and a majority in the government reigns of power, and have chosen to ignore such unimportant things as, oh, say the Constitution. And in frustration Elf then tends, at times, to generalize. Naughty Elf. ;)

mikstera From: mikstera Date: April 10th, 2007 10:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
"I am continually astonished by the hatred people have for Christians in this country. I'm still trying to understand it."

Some people have hatred for Christians. Not being one of them, I can't speak to their motivations.

I have a profound distaste and dislike for some of the things that some Christians do, and that I can speak to:

I have a profound distaste for the actions of people who see a class of fellow humans as being "sick" and "disgusting" and "mentally ill" simply because they feel romantic / sexual attraction towards members of the same gender.

I have a profound distaste for the actions of people who wish to substitute mythology for science.

I have a profound distaste for the actions of people who are simultaneously against abortion, birth control by means other than abstinence, and detailed, factual sex education. By their actions, they increase misery and suffering in the world.

I have a profound distaste for the actions of people who, not being content with being in the vast numerical majority, seek to use the force of law to force their beliefs upon all others.

In short, I have an intense dislike for what some Christians are doing in the name of their religion, because what they do hurts people, and makes the world worse rather than better.
elfs From: elfs Date: April 10th, 2007 11:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Then you should have no objection to my genuine loathing for Johnny Hart. The man was a Christian Reconstructionist: he believed that America should be a theocracy, that the only justification for government was to be the authority of the Bible, and that gays, lesbians, and pagans who would not repent of their rebellion against God should be jailed and/or executed.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 10th, 2007 11:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
I reject what people like Johnny Hart stand for in the strongest terms possible... but, speaking only for myself, I don't think I'd do the world or myself any good by loathing the man himself, less so now that he's dead.

For me, it's enough to drag his ideas into the light of day, and show them to be the garbage they are, lest anyone be fooled into thinking they are of value. If his ideas have no place to take root, then he is rendered irrelevant.
From: (Anonymous) Date: April 11th, 2007 06:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Pre-Christian Christian cavemen?

I might not have minded the Christianity if it hadn't been so unartfully forced into *cavemen*. Where have these dinosaur riders heard about Easter and the like, and why do they talk about it as something that's already happened?

Come to think of it, Hart probably had answers for all my questions. *Dumb* answers.

So, anyone seen any *well-done* Christianity in the funny papers lately? Maybe in "Rose is Rose?"
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